Cloak and Dagger save Spider-Man in his Maximum Carnage debut


This is “From a Different Point of View,” a feature where I talk about a series of comics with other people. Since the pandemic began, I have been speaking with readers twice a week about notable crossovers, stories, or comic book miniseries. We started with Secret Wars and then we did Knightfall and now we start with Maximum Carnage!

Each time, I will share a part of our discussion.

The last time we checked into Maximum Carnage, we had just started talking about Web of Spider-Man # 101, “Darklight”, Maximum Carnage Part 2, by Terry Kavanagh, Alex Saviuk and Don Hudson, with Bob Sharen colors and lyrics. from Steve. Dutro. We talked about the crossover released in the middle of a period where Spider-Man books were all about stunt covers.

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In the story, meanwhile, Carnage escaped from Ravencroft, freeing another Ravencroft resident, the murderous mutant, Shriek, who offered to be Carnage’s partner in the slaughter. Peter Parker was attending the funeral of his closest friend, Harry Osborn, and promising his wife, Mary Jane, that he would take a break from being Spider-Man for a while, as she was concerned for his safety (he also smoked cigarettes ). like crazy).

Carnage and Shriek later “adopted” Spider-Man’s doppelganger from Infinity War. Peter sees the news about Carnage’s escape from Ravencroft and breaks his promise immediately. Shriek and Doppelganger defeated Spider-Man quite easily and threw him into an alley, severely injuring his ribs. Meanwhile, Carnage breaks into J. Jonah Jameson’s offices to convey a message.

What happens to Spider-Man while he’s laying in that alley?

Taking.: Spider-Man is almost killed by what Nico from the Runaways once called “those politically correct multi-ethnic gangs that only rob people on bad TV shows.”

Brian CroninYes, it was a strangely unlikely gang, Tom.

Flavio sette: The opening reminds me of the second issue of Hush, which featured a wounded Batman surrounded by thugs, a cool double page, and another hero coming to his rescue. Hey, both Huntress and Dagger wear absurdly revealing and impractical costumes!

Flavio sette: Speaking of Hush, I think the first time I paid attention to the panel designs was when I read it. I look forward to reading each issue to see if Jim Lee will stay the same for the first five pages or if he will deviate from it. He probably could have played with that more, but hey, he owned that design sequence. It is for Lee as the 9-panel grid has been (at times) for Gibbons and Giffen.

Brian Cronin: Good comparison with “Hush”, Flavio, since he had the same feeling of “Okay, now we are putting this character in the story”.

Flavio sette: A little, yes.

Flavio sette: However, Loeb and Lee tried to explain later.

Taking.: Did Cloak and Dagger have a series going on right now? Was this basically promoting that?

Flavio sette: I think the Cloak and Dagger series had been canceled at the time.

Flavio sette: “The Mutant Misadventures of Cloak and Dagger”

Brian Cronin: Nothing at the time, Tom, but in 1993, there was always a very good opportunity.

Brian Cronin: That any character used could THEN get their own series.

Flavio sette: Yes.

Sean Whitmore: I think, except for Cap, none of the guest stars in this story had books at the time.

Taking.: Cloak and Dagger has never had much luck carrying a book.

Flavio sette: I can definitely see them using this as a stepping stone to C&D.

Brian Cronin: So I’m sure Kavanagh thought there was a very good chance that Cloak and Dagger could pull a series out of this.

Taking.: And among their weird activities or minis, they just wander around making occasional cameos.

Flavio sette: Heh, yes.

Flavio sette: Iron Fist had just come out of a season as a minor character (a bit) in Namor.

Brian Cronin: They were originally Spider-Man characters, so they probably felt it made sense to bring them back to the Spidey books.

Brian Cronin: Deathlok still had a series at this point, right?

Flavio sette: Iron Fist had just resurrected too!

Sean Whitmore: He did? I’m not sure when Deathlok ended

Flavio setteHowever, Firestar appeared on the pages of New Warriors.

Flavio sette: Love me a little Firestar.

Sean Whitmore: Morbius might actually have been going on too, for that matter. I have no recollection of how long that lasted.

Flavio sette: This problem starts out strangely out of step with the times. Other than that they’re, like Tom said, like a gang from an ’80s movie, I mean, look what those guys are wearing. One of them even has those Cyclops-style shades that were kind of popular in the ’80s.

Taking.: It’s funny how much the size of the Cloak layer varies from panel to panel.

Flavio sette: Blame it on Todd McFarlane!

Brian Cronin: Man, the pace of this comic is horrible.

Sean Whitmore: One of them has a sword. Not a knife, a bloody sword.

Flavio sette: I thought it was a machete.

Taking.: Yes, Spider-Man is in trouble, but then Cloak and Dagger immediately show up to rescue him, so he was only in danger for a welcome page, then all the goons are easily defeated, and Cloak and Dagger just take him to church.

Taking.: Actually, the robbers didn’t add anything.

Taking.: Aside from a chance to show what Cloak and Dagger can do I guess.

Brian Cronin: Yes, which has a reason in itself.

Brian Cronin: But then we just search for pages.

Flavio sette: “That’s Steve from Machete Squad.”

Sean Whitmore: That’s Machete Mike.

Flavio sette: I guess we’re solidly in the era of “MJ in a robe waiting by the window for Peter to come home” from Spider-Man, huh? Or a sweater and shorts as the case may be.

Taking.: It’s a bit strange to compare the Liz Allen of this era with the current Liz Allen, a corrupt corporate executive who was associated with Norman Osborn.

Taking.: However, Normie is still creepy and apparently hasn’t aged much.

Flavio sette: They should have made Liz marry Foggy Nelson.

Sean Whitmore: I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop with Normie

Brian Cronin: Yes, it talks about a story that didn’t go ANYWHERE.

Flavio sette: Boom, she’s in the DD books where they won’t turn her into a supervillain.

Sean Whitmore: That Norman came back and no longer mattered

Brian Cronin: Normie just shows up, looks creepy, and then scene.

Brian Cronin: Repeat and repeat and repeat.

Brian Cronin: And it never goes beyond that.

Sean Whitmore: Yeah, breaking Spidey dolls and all that.

Taking.: I suppose you get some rewards when you become Red Goblin Jr. over 20 years later, but yeah.

Flavio sette: So many random subplots that appear and disappear.

Flavio sette: Those are the Spidey books in the 90s in a nutshell. “Is this something?” “Uh, maybe. We’ll figure it out eventually.”

Brian Cronin: Here’s how bad this page is.

Brian Cronin: Imagine missing this page entirely.

Brian Cronin: Would you alter this comic at all?

Brian Cronin: Would it alter Maximum Carnage at all?

Brian Cronin: Would anything be lost at all if this page never existed?

Taking.: I guess we would never see MJ upset about Peter again.

Brian Cronin: We already know that MJ is distressed by Peter, right?

Taking.: No wonder some writers wanted to get rid of MJ, they apparently couldn’t think of anything to do with her other than distressing her.

Flavio sette: Or at least if all the panels of Normie photographing the Parkers weren’t there.

Flavio sette: Keep the scenes but get rid of all the creepy bs kids.

Flavio sette: DeFalco made Normie become the Green Goblin in Spider-Girl, right?

Sean Whitmore: Wait a minute

Sean Whitmore: What page are we talking about?

Brian Cronin: The page of MJ watching television, distraught by Peter.

Brian Cronin: I think they literally removed it from the exchanges.

Flavio sette: No, it’s in mine.

Sean Whitmore: They did it!

Flavio sette: Well, I have the epic collection.

Taking.: Still on Marvel Unlimited.

Sean Whitmore: I’m looking for it now and I can’t see it

Brian Cronin: Ha, that’s funny.

Sean Whitmore: That’s hilarious!

Brian Cronin: So some versions have it and some don’t.

Flavio sette: You pay a little more, but you get all the useless subplots, so it’s worth it!

Brian Cronin: He has!

Sean Whitmore: I had no idea this was edited

Brian Cronin: Well that’s it, that speaks to how useless this page was.

Brian Cronin: That they didn’t even include it in Sean’s TPB

Sean Whitmore: That’s what I get for not waiting for the Epic Collection

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